So I checked out the www.MinerBumping.com site... Wow. You guys are bullies. What's the matter? Did mommy not give you enough hugs growing up?

What you're doing is not dealing with a legitimate problem but harrassing players into buying permits which they don't need. You don't even care if they are AFK. You just want the isk form players without backbones buying "permits" It's extortion. From where I'm sitting, this whole bumping business is a front. Yet, in EVE, It's perfectly legal but still wrong. This "code" you speak of is a load of crap and frankly, you can shove it straight up your ***.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, ...when I lay my vengeance upon thee." ~Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

It is not 'gamesmanship' at all. Just WOW !

It's an interruption of pre-existing game features. It disrupts the process actually.

It's the equivalent of someone sweeping away the Monopoly board setup suddenly with their hand.

If that's gamemanship, I'm Marilyn Monroe.

I put on my robe and wizard's hat.

I'm sure this adds a bountiful plentitude, BILLIONS of ISK, into the bumper's wallets. BILLIONS!!!

Give it up, as your argument has failed yet again.

The number of miner's who would even pay, with the trust that the behavior is guaranteed to stop, is going to be very very low.

Is that not one of the foundations of EVE Play ? TRUST NOBODY.

Your game was gamed already: by experience and history of behaviors. The concept that this would somehow actually work was broken long ago.

What's this non-violence you speak of? I never mentioned anything about non-violence or a non-violent mentality. Self-identified moral superiority? I'm no different than them. Enlightenment is when you come to the realization that there is no such thing as right and wrong or good and evil. There are only choices. I choose to obstruct mining bumbers choice of forcing people who can't make choices for themselves or even think for themselves to make what seems like the only choice they have while screwing them out of hard earned money. The miners parents didn't teach them to think for themselves.

Cowards can never be moral.
~Gandhi


My nonviolence does not admit of running away from danger and leaving dear ones unprotected. Between violence and cowardly flight, I can only prefer violence to cowardice. I can no more preach nonviolence to a coward than I can tempt a blind man to enjoy healthy scenes.
~Gandhi

A Miner bumping another Miner to control a belt for some idiotic reason, does fall within the parameters of Gamesmanship by definition.

Mining and Bumping are completely separate ideas. It's like trying to play chess on a Monopoly board suddenly.

It breaks the game.

edit: OR makes the player quit. Then they all quit.

Then who do you bump ?

You guys don't sincerely buy into this shtick, do you? Some sort of crusade to get people from stop getting computers to do tasks for them with no human input? Out to reform EVE gameplay? If you really wanted to do that, seems you'd take it up with CCP or your most sympathetic CSM.

This New Order code thing is just a B-movie implementation of The Mittani's half-heated anti-AFK mining ramblings from a year ago. Guys, they came from a Goon-- you weren't supposed to take them at face value and as true gospel.

And you prove my point, quoting one sentence from my post does not make my quotes all about the one sentence. Learn to look at the bigger picture and quit thinking so small minded.

Edit: why re-invent the wheel?

We are not saying it isn't a legitimate playstyle. We just choose to oppose it.



And everybody else's is not?

Recited regurgitated crap from your website. I read it, it makes sense but I still disagree. Re-word it however you like, a turd is still a turd no matter how much you polish it. If you can't except my opinion and continue to force your "power" to control others to your line of thinking then fine. I refuse to feed into your tyranny.


You forgot the quote that this quote was in response to...

CCP only fix servers when they go down. Otherwise, they are useless.

Ha Ha... good ones. Nice try though. You can't troll a troller.

Thanks guys! I missed my lunch break but I was entertained.

Oh I did. Doesn't mean it is correct.

*waits for CCP to remove all trolling post*

So I checked out the www.MinerBumping.com site... Wow. You guys are bullies. What's the matter? Did mommy not give you enough hugs growing up?

What you're doing is not dealing with a legitimate problem but harrassing players into buying permits which they don't need. You don't even care if they are AFK. You just want the isk form players without backbones buying "permits" It's extortion. From where I'm sitting, this whole bumping business is a front. Yet, in EVE, It's perfectly legal but still wrong. This "code" you speak of is a load of crap and frankly, you can shove it straight up your ***.

"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the iniquities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who in the name of charity and good will shepherds the weak through the valley of darkness, for he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children. And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know my name is the Lord, ...when I lay my vengeance upon thee." ~Samuel L. Jackson, Pulp Fiction

ditto

You read way to much into things man. This did make me lol though.

Apparently a lot if that's what you got from a 1 word post saying the same thing that was quoted. It still doesn't mean I agree completely with the statement. Just too lazy to type and edit myself.

The streak will not end as it really has no beginning.

Are those 'regular financials' legitimate ?

edit: I'm sure the numbers are quite low.

The idea just simply fails utterly.

Post proof.

To equal my daily income from other activities...can one really make 20 people do this EVERY SINGLE DAY for the REST of the game's lifetime ?

Erm...is not that the purpose of the Asteroid Belts ? Why don't you mine them yourself so the real Miners will have nothing to mine ?

Your logic is not logic.

That choice was made long before they subscribed to the Game of EVE.


Nobody gets 'sucked' into that. It's something pre-existing within a personality with a reallly screwed up mindset.

Do you realize that you are honestly the ONLY one trolling this thread ?

To throw off someone who has pre-aligned so they can't warp away immediately. It really suck when you've been mining all day and then you really have to pee.

Why do you not tell us ? We are not mind readers (or at least I hope not).

Anyway...there is no 'winning' at the troll game.

Beyond that it's the "Best Thread of the Last 6 Months" for sure.

We'll just see where this nonsense leads with CCP...and the inevitable changes you are bringing on yourself with practically no effort..

How lazy and ultimately destructive.

Over and out.

Darth: do you realize you are so drunk you "Liked" one of my posts ?

And yes, I can post screen capture.

Ok, since you obviously can't pick up what I'm dropping all around here. The website is a full chapter from the book "Believing BS" by Stephen Law. This covers eveything from politics to cults. Essentially, it is a book on how to write BS. Now, to show some examples from your "code":

"There's no denying it, mankind can only reach its full potential through the creation of a civilization. As Saviour of Highsec, I am the leader of the civilizing forces. Highsec miners may say they come for the ice and ore, but I give them what they really need: Purpose, dignity, structure, order, guidance, leadership. They ask what I am "saving" them from. I save the miners from themselves[snip]." ~the code, paragraph 1

"If you want to achieve the status of a guru it helps to have some natural charisma and presentational skills. Sincerity, empathy, or at least the ability to fake them, can be useful. Props also help. Try wearing a loincloth, a fez, or, in a business setting, a particularly brash waistcoat. But even without the aid of such natural talents or paraphernalia, anyone can produce deep- and meaningful-sounding pronouncements if they are prepared to follow a few simple recipes". ~BB, Stephen Law

I can honestly see the writer of the "code" wearing a tall white hat that comes to a point in the front with gold trim.

"Without rules, there is no such thing as freedom. By enforcing a system of just laws, I give the miners liberation from their own worst instincts. And through this process, the miners can be molded into better people, the kind worthy of joining the new community of EVE. I'm no idealist to believe, firmly, in the integrity of the Code and the New Order of Highsec. It's no ideal to me: It is a living, working reality."~The Code, Paragraph 2

"State the obvious: To begin with, try pointing out the blindingly obvious. Only do it i-n-c-r-e-d-i-b-l-y s-l-o-w-l-y and with an air of superior wisdom. The technique works best if your pronouncements focus on one of lifeGÇÖs big themes, such as love, money and death. State the obvious in a sufficiently earnest way, perhaps following up with a pregnant pause, and you may find others begin to nod in agreement, perhaps murmering GÇ£Yes, how very true that isGÇ¥."~BB, Stephen Law

Now this was just the first 2 paragraphs.

RP or not, It's still pseudo-intellectualism regardless if it's a game. It's a cult and I RP as it's a cult and still call it out as zealot BS.



Hear thee miners!!! Have you accepted James 315 as you're personal Lord and saviour?!!! Repent of your sinful AFK'ing ways and thou shalt be saved!!! Here, drink this kool-aid! Pfft... religious zealots and the morons that follow.

(All religious mockery is an act of RPing. Any reference to real religions past or present are purely coincidental)

Oh that's fine. They can play which ever style they want. I'm just choose to play someone who opposes said zealots. Even if it means in the forums.

Uh oh. Wait, isn't that the supposed 'carebear argument'? 'Why are trying to interfere with my playstyle?' It goes both ways I guess.

But bottom line is a carebear's 15 bucks a month is as good as a griefers 15 bucks a month. Actually, the bear's 15 bucks is probably more valuable, business-wise. Because a high sec miner might be a newbie, who might- if he enjoys his first months in EVE- go on to becoming a long-term subscriber.

I think I'm gonna create an alt that RP's falling a sleep while mining. Just to **** these guys off.